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There is a high fat high carb food in nature: Milk (straight from the animal - not the stuff in stores). Of course since its designed for rapid growth, the highly insulingenic combination of fat and carbs makes sense...

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Dang. I meant to say an adult food found in nature. You are right about the milk, it is a combination designed for rapid growth.

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Very apropos about returning to your keto diet. I find that I have to be assertive and spend my last dollar on rib eyes, then freeze them up, or my good woman might buy a $10 jug of BBQ sauce in case I'm not watching, her thinking that I'll shut up about food to the relatives, at last. You have to be resolute with keto, and keep purifying your environment...

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My professional violist sister: How do you tell the difference between a violin and a viola?

The viola burns longer.

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Hah!

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So all of those years we were told to add coconut oil to rice or butter to our sweet potatoes was the opposite of what we should have been doing. dang, better to find out now than later. TY

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You don't have to go cold turkey. You can enjoy these things occasionally, just don't overdo it. All this has been known for a long time. The studies I used in this article were done in 1984 and 1979, so this isn't new news. I would use this info to scare people away from highly processed foods. Those are the worst. I don't think a little butter on a sweet potato is going to kill anyone.

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Yes. Way better to have your fries or "loaded" baked potato occasionally while eschewing all processed junk, than to go on an LC-Junk diet.

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It's subtle and easy to be fooled because it does blunt the glucose spike, but you pay on the back end with higher total insulin secretion over a much longer period of time to clear it.

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Cholesterol is discussed in chapter 13 of PP1. Page 385 has the nearest to what is in your note. I didn't wise up to the scam until 2003, though I never measured my 'cholesterol' and never took any Statin. I wish I had come across your book when it came out. Here is my latest anecdote. Earlier this year I had a blood panel & ECG. Some months later I saw my lovely GP and he said I should consider a Statin. Although I have not thought about the matter for some years I gave him an alternative view, with a critique of Prof Sir Rory Collins analyses (I used to walk past his research offices often), and all the negatives of blocking the mevalonate pathway, and that cholesterol has been part of animal cells since animal cells with a heart pumping blood round pipes for millions of years so evolution would have fixed any conflict. If there is a problem it must be something else. As I was leaving he said, “As you have got so far OK, I guess it would not make much difference anyway” – I am well over 80. He is a good GP same age as my sons.

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At least he went down without much of a fight. Some threaten expulsion from their practice for statin refusal.

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I think it is just to make sure he does not get into trouble. Were I to have some kind of heart attack and he had not offered me a statin (for me to refuse) it might cause him to be blamed. I do understand the pressures medics are under now - big brother watches them, it must be very difficult. That's why I say he is a good GP.

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Really glad you're harping on this macro-mix issue. I first came upon such a realization back in 2015 with this post by Carl Lenore.

https://superhumanradio.net/blog/why-you-may-reconsider-buttering-your-potato

But all I did was just kinda watch it.

Recently, because of my new gym fanaticism that has me doing 5 HARD days per week, I'd been sorting out and testing things for a mini-pre-workout meal and regardless of what's claimed about being a fat burner, guys who actually do regular hard training know very well that carbs trump. Like I always say, if protein and fat were the things to eat to fuel competitive and professional athletic sports, that's what the top money-makers would be eating prior to competition.

That is not the case.

... Anyway, I gave something a try. Chopped up a Fuji apple and navel orange, topped with LF plain yogurt, then a good 1-2 TBS honey. FANTASTIC. Buzzing through the workout like crazy.

Then it got better.

I ran out of yogurt one day and did ONLY the fruit and honey, and this was in isolation...hours after whatever else I had eaten.

Oh, man. Just amazing. A real nice steady energy throughout a session where I may be doing 20,000Kg total lifting volume. No drag-ass at all.

What this has resulted in is I've become a carnivore - frugivore. Two big meals per day upwards of 50-100g protein each, whatever fat, no carb but trace (like a little onion, the Brit "gravy granules," etc.), lotsa eggs.

Then way outside those meals, mostly fruit (sometimes honey), whatever amount I want and the big telltale in terms of carbs with fat are, even if I only eat a half big or whole small buttered potato with a nice ribeye and fatty sauce or browned butter, I still go comatose. If no potato, no prob.

But if I eat the whole damn potato by itself outside a fatty meal, or with no-fat condiments, I not only do not get drowsy, it's energetic.

And, this all makes sense because it should. Nature doesn't put carbs and fat together.

... Except one place: mammal's milk. And what is that for? To grow tissue, both lean AND fat.

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Interesting experience. Thanks for the feedback.

I'm not sure I could choke down a potato without butter or cheese or something. Consequently, I don't eat potatoes. Or don't eat them often. And when I do, there is butter involved.

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Sure. And if you're in the acute, occasional-carb camp, then certainly enjoy them to their fullest intent. Me too. Sometimes. Fried potatoes and ice cream fits that bill. Oh, and pecan pie with whipped cream...

But finding ways for me to get into a more 150ish g carb range has reasons beyond thumbing my nose to the LC community, which I'm not doing.

The first reason is the fast and strong fuel, as I described above. World of difference mentally between drag-ass workout and enthusiastic.

Anecdote: recently met a retired US Navy Chief (E-6) at my gym, Corey. Doing body building and there's an upcoming competition at the Hard Rock Cafe in town. He has about 2 weeks to go, basically doing PSMF for cutting, upwards of 300g protein daily, Low fat and near zero carb. It does the trick, for sure, but man was he dragging ass through his workout, and specifically noted the absence of carbs. And, he's correct. Adding fat to those meals would do nothing for energy. Been there.

I once tried to do Half Dome in Yosemite on lc-keto, my pack filled with cheese, jerky, nuts, HB eggs. I was unable to continue 3/4ths of the way up. Literally unable, not just "don't want to." That is a strenuous all-day hike and ascent of about 4K feet.

That was fall. Next spring, I did it on PBJs mostly, whole grain bread. I breezed right up in record time, plenty of gas in the tank for the very long and tough descent.

Respectfully, I just laugh at people who refuse to apreciate the value of carbohydrates for quick, sure, and sustained energy in trying physical conditions.

... Perhaps they're never "tried."

The other reason I've searched for a way to get the carbs without running afoul of the very bad metabolic and fat storage issues you're expert on, Mike, is that just like animal foods, they have their place on the easy-to-get micronutrient spectrum.

At 62 and because super easy and cheap here in Thailand, no script required, DIY, is I've recently started TRT and HGH. Some think that's bad, or they use it as an excuse for why THEY look like crap (because OTHER people use stuff...it's a funny mental trick they pull). But all I'm doing is giving myself a level-playing field with the 20-soomethings. My T and HGH levels are now on par with what they WERE.

... But, just as there are plenty of 20-somethings with squandered Test and GH coursing through their veins, you'll meet plenty of guys here on both supplements who show zero outward signs. They do it for the mental, sleep, stiff one, and libido.

It 'aint magic. Still gotta put in the work to build the physical telltales.

... Anyway, one of the side-effects of GH is water retention (I put on 3Kg in days...not lean tissue or fat...but water). It's great for having that SWOLE look, not so great when you're wearing shorts and flips, and look down at the ankles.

So, one carb-based mitigation is adding bananas, (no-added fat) potatoes, OJ, and coconut water outside of protein/fat eating, as described previously. We're probably all different, but if I up potassium, I start shedding water like crazy. I once did a potato-hack (eating no-added fat potatoes only) and in 10 days shed 17 pounds. Of course, that's way-mostly water. I searched for an explanation. Potassium balance (incidentally, my dad has lifelong low-potassium...I've never had it specifically tested).

Another thing is that grains are great for trace minerals, so I have this 12-whole-grain Texas-toast-style mini loaf I buy once per week. 5 slices, thick and large, so I eat one at a time, typically with runny eggs. That's maybe 200kcal per week max of grains and I'm pretty sure the trace minerals from 12 whole grains outweighs any metabolic or fat issues.

So, I guess, all this to say that I try to avoid all binary issues, all-in or all out.

Cheers, Mike.

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HI Doc,

Immensely enjoying your Arrows, while waiting for older Arrows to be available, I read your previous blog posts. And read some of your book rec. about viruses, Kennedy's "Real Fauci", Duiesbergs "Inventing AIDS", and "Dissolving Illusions" so now I want to further open this Pandora box with a book about rabies virus and if it does indeed causes illness. I am highly skeptical after reading all those books that what we have been told is true. (How can vaccine injected AFTER the infection, protect you against illness?!) Thanks for you work.

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I haven't even thought about the rabies virus since this whole vaccine drama has begun. I need to look into it. When I was a kid my brother got bitten by a stray dog, and he had to get a series of rabies shots. He didn't get rabies, and, as far as I know, is in pretty good health. When I get some time, I'll dig into the rabies vaccine situation. It is an interesting question. Same thing with a tetanus shot. You step on a nail, or get cut, or whatever, then you get the tetanus shot. What was the book you read about the rabies virus?

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I read this one about germs https://www.amazon.com/Vaccines-Viruses-Bacteria-What-Youve-ebook/dp/B0C1HJZX1Q/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1MBB6IOWN5VA5&keywords=val+zimmer&qid=1699185258&sprefix=vall+zimer%2Caps%2C341&sr=8-1

and for rabies ti says that Pasteour didnt succeed in infecting dog from salive or blood, but only through "drying bone marrow, crushing it and injecting in in a bored scull of a living dog"..it seems to me thats not the way to prove that virus is a cause and contagious. But its how it is done in virology also for POLIO

Regarding tetanus BACTERIA I wonder why they need 3 doses and periodical booster AND booster after being cut if it is bacterial infection and antibiotic would worlk too..

Lots of strange stuff in this "germ theory" so I am continuing exploring (reading) about "terrain theory" that was made by Pasteur opponent..

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Hi, you were asking for natural carb and fat combos. Nuts but especially cashews comes to mind, but let’s take breast milk as a reference point. It has proven quite effective in adding mass to little people. We also see that French fries has similar proportions, only 5 times more… (data from my local fda portal)

per 100g fat carb prot fat /carb energy shares

Breast milk 65 kcal 3,5% 7,4% 1,1% 47%/46%

Cashew nut 574 kcal 46,4% 18,8% 20,0% 71%/13%

Banana 88 kcal 0,4% 18,3 % 1,2% 4%/ 85%

French fries 316 kcal 15,8% 38,6% 3,9% 44%/50%

It was some Willet study, where different potatoes were lumped together. If you stratified those, the

French fries were the most fattening product of all! And of course, they are fried in seed oils. My hypothesis is that if you want to affect all the American people with something, change the frying oil. Which is exactly what happened around 1990, when all fast-food chains moved to (were forced to) “healthful” vegetable oils, abandoning tallow. This is close to the inflection point of obesity etc misery that has increased ever since in the U.S.

JR

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As I already mentioned in another comment, I had meant to say food for adults. Breast milk is definitely a fat-carb combo, designed by nature to fatten a baby. Of the other foods you listed, cashews may qualify, though their carb count isn't all that high. If you ate a diet with the same macro percentages as cashews, it would be considered a low-carb diet. Bananas, like all fruits and vegetables, contain a little fat, but, again, if you consumed a diet with the same macro composition as a banana, it would be a low-fat diet indeed. French fries are not a food found in nature, so they don't count.

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The tabulation above in readable form I hope

per 100g________________fat___carb__prot_____fat /carb energy shares

Breast milk__ 65 kcal___3,5%__7,4%___1,1%___ 47%/46%

Cashew nut_574 kcal__46,4%_18,8%_20,0%___71%/13%

Banana_______88 kcal___0,4%_18,3%__1,2%_____4%/ 85%

French fries_316 kcal__15,8%_38,6%__3,9%____44%/50%

JR

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Just wanted to mention that I bought Protein Power in hardcover somewhere around 1997 (in fact, I have ALL your books in hardcover). I had read Atkins' books, but yours answered more questions for me. I loved the paleopathology and Egypt chapter and think that's when I finally put 2 and 2 together. I had been taking graduate courses in human paleontology and knew about the diet of early humans. It took that chapter for me to slap myself in the forehead and realize low carb with plenty of protein and fat was the way to go.

What about avocados? For a 100g serving, it has 177 calories with 17g fat and 7g of carbs (according to my source).

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I went to the USDA source and got a nutritional breakdown. Looks like an avocado contains 29.5 grams of fat and 17.1 grams of carb. But of those 17.1 g of carb, 13.5 are fiber, which leaves the actual carb that would produce any kind of blood sugar or insulin effect to be only 3.6 g, so it's still pretty low.

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I would give you 5 stars just for including the "fiddle" video.

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Glad you enjoyed it.

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Re. Creutzfeldt's paper, it would be better to cite the regular DOI link (https://doi.org/10.1007/BF01225454) rather than the one leading to dark web (https://sci-hub.se/10.1007/BF01225454), since the regular link allows a free downloading of the PDF.

This discussion of “incretin” is extremely interesting and useful! Reading your articles is a great pleasure.

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I don't view Sci-Hub as the dark web. One of my ongoing missions is to make research available free. Almost all of it sans drug studies (most of which are unreliable) are underwritten by taxpayer money. Then the content is captured by journals that make an immense profit from it. The lady who came up with Sci-Hub and has basically defeated the jpournal mafia is a heroine to me. I always go to Sci-Hub first, then to the journal site.

I agree. Incretins are a fascinating subject.

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I had written "dark web" because "sci-hub" URLs are no longer accessible via ordinary web browsers (at least in Europe). We need a firewall, e.g. using the Tor browser. This is a recent change. I fully agree that all public-funded research should be available at no cost. In this case, however, the PDF is free access on the publisher's site; for this reason I believe it is fair to mention access via doi.org.

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The Big Journal Mafia has tried to shut Sci-Hub down for years. I guess they've finally given up on suing her and have gone after the internet providers--at least in Europe. So far, still available here. I use it all the time. I've had the paper I posted for years, but got the Sci-Hub link for readers. I'll try to remember to go to the journal site first, now that I know Sci-Hub is blocked in Europe. Thanks for letting me know.

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Thanks for your concern! Actually, it's probably a block at the domain name server level that only Tor can bypass...

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Mike - another gem that, for some reason, didn't seem all that long. I especially appreciate the link to David Zweig's article - and am hoping that forwarding it to friends will make them question, at least a tiny bit, the mainstream (legacy) media. As for the violin/viola video? (at one time in the mists of my past I played both) - that was hilarious, and while the yodeler wasn't playing his violin at the time, he was definitely amazing. Re the Keto - no one has to convince me of that anymore - but I hope you convince many many more to try it.

The only tiny glitch - amazing for such a long post:

parked in on our driveway.

parked it on out driveway . . . .

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Thanks for catching the typo.

I, too, played (played at) the violin in my dim and distant past. I enjoyed it, but it was really difficult. Good players make it look so easy. I'm glad I tried, because at least I now know how much works goes into developing the skill.

I hope your friends read the Zweig article. I thought it was terrific, but it's difficult to get anyone to read anything today that flies in the face of their current beliefs.

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Too sadly true. It all fits with Mark Twain's observation that it's easier to con someone that it is to convince one they've been conned. . . perhaps you said that recently? It's a good one.

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Drat - easier to con someone THAN it is . . .

lack of editing - sigh

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Dr Mike, thought I'd jump in with the first comment. Been reading you for decades and this blog since before it was called The Arrow.

Do you know of effective ways to search your past posts? I recently got a calcium score that concerned me and I remember you discussing the ins and outs of calcium scores in the past. But searching for it stinks on substack. I've tried searching for "calcium score". I've added Eades and Arrow as search terms. Substack returns from all authors. Then I tried searching you with google, but apparently Substack isn't know to google. Any search strategy/tip/suggestions?

Been searching on my phone (iOS). Perhaps desktop searching works differently.

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Unfortunately, I wrote the posts about the calcium scan calculations on the old platform of The Arrow, and they aren't available or searchable right now. I've got copies, but they aren't in a form I can make public without a lot of formatting. Which, to tell the truth, I just haven't had the time to do.

Since a number of people have asked me about this, I'll try to write a short segment next week on how to make those calculations. Then it should be searchable for those who come after.

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That would be awesome.

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I kept a lot of copies of The Arrow on the old platform as I received them in email format - Arrow #58 Part 2 has a lot about the calculation including links.

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Yes, I also have all the Arrow (and pre-Arrow) posts in email. Thank you for directing me to #58 part 2. My only issue with reading old posts in email is the image links are often broken.

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Yes, I notice broken links in the older posts too....maybe they have disappeared from the net ? I have the pre-Arrow posts too, 'No Name Newsletter' and prior to that Mike had his blog posts in the Protein Power website which all remain for presumably everyone to read and goes back to 2005 !

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Yes!

And before that, I was a frequent participant in the Protein Power online forum back in the 90's.

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If you buy a raw sweet potato and bake it in your oven you would have an unprocessed carb. If you put butter on the hot potato you combine a carb and a fat. Is that bad?

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It depends upon your state of health. If you're young, thin, and healthy, it probably won't affect anything much. If you're old and overweight and diabetic, your blood sugar won't go up that much, but your insulin will. Having said all that, the combo you describe is doubtless a lot better for you than eating donuts.

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This is what I was wondering. I eat a lot of broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower , all with butter and evoo. Is this a bad idea??

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Those are all pretty low-carb veggies, so I doubt it would matter much.

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Well that’s certainly good news!!

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Depends if you want to damage your metabolic flexibility.

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Howdy, Darko! I just came across this article and your comment. Can you give the full title of this publication? The Amazon link doesn’t work and a search for keywords "Vaccines viruses bacteria what you've" and “Val Zimmer” are coming up dry :/

Thanks!

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Michael had referenced some books on lying with statistics, what were the names?

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