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John Vogt's avatar

These questions of the brutality of killing reminds me of a line from All in the Family, where Gloria tells her father that 65% of all people murdered were killed by guns and he asks her if she would feel any better if they'd been pushed out of windows. (https://youtu.be/GzFWRPiNXOI?si=RAGJwjyQN4hwd_Yo) During WW2 we killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Germans (overwhelmingly women, children and old men, because the young men were off fighting in the army) through aerial bombardment from 30,000 feet. This was done intentionally, in order to degrade the will of the German people to continue. No American or Briton stood trial at Nuremberg for these "war crimes". The German military did nothing comparable but they were the ones who got hanged. So it seems to depend on who gets killed (your friends or your adversaries) and how they are killed (up close or from a great distance) and how well documented it is, and of course who wins. Victors justice.

But in this specific instance I think we miss an important point. The attack on October 7th was intentionally brutal. We need to think why Hamas choose to do it this way and broadcast the process for all to see. To me this was an obvious provocation. They calculated that Israel would have no choice but to act in a particular way, to respond with a vengeance. I think they wanted to make it impossible for Israelis to calmly and soberly consider what they are doing. It is always an error to let oneself be emotionally manipulated into taking a rash action.

I think Israel has made the same mistake as Ukraine, thinking that getting along with their neighbors wasn't necessary because the US would protect them "as long as it takes". I think Ukraine is realizing that making an accommodation with Russia would have been more prudent than relying on American promises. Its existence is now at stake. The same is true for Israel.

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Anne's avatar

Re the pro-Palestinian demonstrations in UK and Europe, New Zealand, and the sickening way those people are completely ignoring the most horrific murders of 1,400 Israelis, babies, children and elderly people - human behaviour can be unbelievable….what are people thinking of…don’t they think ?

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